Every Naturally Aspirated Performance Car Available Today

"472CID" (472CID)
03/12/2015 at 12:19 • Filed to: USELESSLISTS

A while ago the question got asked " !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! " It's an interesting question, and it's bizarre to think future enthusiast might not get to experience a new non-turbo performance car. If you look at what's available today it's surprising to see just how few natural cars there are. Here's a rundown of what's left, and who I think will last.

Mazda MX5 Miata - There's a rumor floating around that we'll see a turbocharged Mazdaspeed Miata in the near future. For the foreseeable future though, a natural engine powers the base model.

Honda Civic Si - Perhaps the last sports compact car to not feature a turbocharger (I'm not counting the weakling CR-Z as a performance car). Strict emission requirements killed the old Type Rs so it seems likely they will kill the Si too. On the bright side Honda has finally given us a new turboed Type-R - turbo hot hatch>no hot hatch.

Scion/Subaru FR-S/BRZ - The Toyoburu's don't have any turbochargers yet, everybody has been expecting a high performance version but it still hasn't happened. So, even after all these years, the jury is still out on a turbo 'Buru, what about the base? Latest rumors say these cars !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! :(

Hyundai Genesis - It's hard to say what will happen to the Gen coupe going forward. Many think it will get Hyundai's V8, so maybe the little Korean coupe will be more pony car than sports car. If that's the case we might see natural V6s and V8s into the coming years.

Nissan Z - The current 370Z has been around for a while, and it's VQ V6 even longer. Nobody's sure about how or when the new Z will arrive. Engine speculation has gone from turbo four to downsized turbo six to holdover NA six. Basically it's anybody's guess as to if the Z will be turboed or not.

As with manual transmissions and V8 engines American muscle cars are a stronghold of tradition. That's not to say things wont ever change, for indeed they already have -all three have had supercharged versions of their pony cars (not to mention Ford's Ecoboost, or the turbocharged muscle cars of the 1980s). For now the lower end V8s seem safe, but it could only be a matter of time before the boosted engines creep in.

Chevrolet Camaro
Ford Mustang
Dodge Challenger
Dodge Charger/Chrysler 300
Chevrolet SS/Holden HSV

It seems Lexus missed the memo that sports sedans have almost gone entirely turbo/supercharged. Audi and Mercedes have some older versions of their performance cars that will likely be updated with turbocharged engines in the near future, leaving only Lexus with a non-turbo sports sedan. Somewhat ironic given Toyota's glorious turbocharged past.

Mercedes C63 AMG (replaced with a turbo)
Lexus RC F
Audi RS5
Lexus GS F (coming soon)
Infiniti Q60
Mercedes SLK55 AMG

Porsche Cayman/Boxster - With the 911 going all turbo it seems likely the Cayman and Boxster will go all turbo in the near future.

Porsche 911 - The 911 is !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , a possible exception is the GT3.

These two American icons will probably be among the last cars standing with out a blower/turbine. The top end Corvettes have gone supercharged but the base models seem to have a comfortable formula going. The future of the Viper is uncertain, knowing Chrysler they'll find a way to keep the V10 alive, but they do have a pretty impressive supercharged V8...

Chevrolet Corvette
Dodge Viper

Audi R8 - Audi recently announced the next gen R8 will keep the NA V10, personally I'm skeptical it will stay around long, because they also have a new turbo V8.

Maserati Gran Turismo - Will probably soon get the Quattroporte's turbo V8, or just turbo V6s.

Aston Martin !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! going forward. These engines will likely be based on the AMG GT's V8. That's not a bad thing given that particular V8 seems pretty impressive, yet it will be the end of English NA V8s. The twelve cylinder Astons are another matter. Aston recently updated their venerable V12 so it may have a few years left in it, but it's probably a matter of time before it goes away or gets replaced by a Mercedes unit.

Aston Martin Vantage
Aston Martin DB9
Aston Martin Vanquish

Both Ferrari and Lamborghini seem likely to keep their non-forced induction ten and twelve cylinder engines as long as environmental regulations will let them. Both companies seem to be toying with saddling their V12s up to a hybrid system (ex. LaFerrari, Asterion) so perhaps NA V12s can live on a while longer.

Lamborghini Huracan
Ferrari 458 (soon to be replaced)
Ferrari FF
Ferrari F12
Lamborghini Aventador
Ferrari LaFerrari

Porsche 918 - All that fuss over the electric motors it's easy to overlook the fact that Porsche squeezes over 600hp out of a 4.8 NA V8.

In case you didn't notice this list is incredibly small. We've got: Miata, Civic Si, FR-S/BRZ, Genesis Coupe, 370Z, Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, Charger, 300, SS, C63AMG, RS5, RC F, GS F, Cayman/Boxster, 911 GT3, Corvette, Viper, R8, Gran Turismo, Vantage, Vanquish, DB9, Huracan, FF, F12, Aventador, 918, and LaFerrari.

My predictions say the American V8 (pony cars, Corvette, LX cars, and we'll lump the Viper in here too) will last the longest. The high end V10/V12s from Ferrari and Lamborghini will probably last a while longer too supplemented by hybrids. On a similar note, I think Toyota, as a company, might be the last to fully adopt turbos. Opting instead for hybrids.

DISCUSSION (100)

CB > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 12:21

EDIT: nevermind, read the post wrong.

PlasteredClover > CB
03/12/2015 at 12:23

It is for now, but Porsche has said all 911's will be getting turbos in the near future.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 12:25

So, even after all these years, the jury is still out on a turbo 'Buru, what about the base?

It's not happening. This has been said, or at least hinted at, several times by some top folks at both manufacturers. I still love my FR-S though.

Pdb > PlasteredClover
03/12/2015 at 12:35

They said not the GT3 and RS. So they will remain on this list.

Pdb > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 12:36

Kinja'd!!!

Come on, you guys are too slow... all these cars have turbos.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 12:41

The 911 and Cayman/Boxster should be going turbo for 2016-2017, if reports and news are correct.

Kinja'd!!!

If I've said it once I'll say it again, screw emissions regulations and all the BS that goes with it. I'm putting what little faith I have left in the Americans and Lamborghini. Praying at least something will be left for me to want to have new when I can actually afford something like them but that continues to be an ever fleeting dream.

Scary__goongala! > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 12:44

Im going to go out on a limb and say the Viper will never have FI power from the factory. It wouldn't be a Viper if it didnt come with a big ass NA V10.

Crossdrilled > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 12:49

Let me do an easy one

Every Supercharged engine available today

2 engines from America: Hellcat and Z06/ZL1/CTS-V/HSV engine

5 from England: Jaguar/Land Rover's V6 and V8, Lotus/Toyota's 4 and 6 cylinder and the Ariel/Honda K20

2 from Germany: Audi's supercharged V6 and VWs twincharged 4 cylinder

I'm expecting the German ones to kick the bucket first. Mercedes, Mini and Koenigsegg have already replaced their supercharged motors with turbos.

B/Xmrrmvr > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 12:52

The next V6 (Lambda II) is supposedly a 3.3L Twin-turbo making 365 bhp and 379 lb-ft of torque.

Kinja'd!!!

Source

Hoping they can sell the GenCoupe with the Tau V8 shoehorned in but I wouldn't bet on it due to packaging issues.

Edit: Why am I gray when ungrayed people make posts about Cocaine?

PlasteredClover > Pdb
03/12/2015 at 12:55

Good! Save the N/A flat sixes, we need the rasp.

472CID > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 13:03

I could see the natural American V8/V10s and Italian V10/V12 lasting until the end of ICEs. Sadly I could see ICEs disappearing in our lifetimes.

472CID > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
03/12/2015 at 13:03

What a giant cocktease.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 13:10

Unfortunately I hope the world ends before ICEs disappear, especially if its in our lifetimes. I don't think I could handle it. EPA and politicians seem to be killing us off is all. ;_;

I just don't have much enthusiasm for the future.

472CID > B/Xmrrmvr
03/12/2015 at 13:12

I'm sure it's way better at emissions/fuel consumption but 17hp is a pretty small improvement for going turbo.

mr2gud2u > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 14:31

I can't image the world with a turbo i4 or ttv6 Camaro or Vette. Chevy guy would lose his shit.

MK6GTI-now with added Miata > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 18:36

I've come to terms with the engine leaving us. Having a Tesla would be totally cool with me.

I'm more worried about self-driving cars becoming mandatory.

Tom > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:37

So were just making lists of cars now?

tehkav > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:37

It's allll about the torque.

Manuél Ferrari > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:38

You make me sad ;(

Howie > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:39

My predictions say the American V8 (pony cars, Corvette, LX cars, and we'll lump the Viper in here too) will last the longest.

Agreed, despite what click bait lying ass Horsepower Kings says.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > MK6GTI-now with added Miata
03/12/2015 at 18:39

I wish I was born 20 years earlier, maybe then I'd be okay with it. I can't stand living in a world where the best ICE cars are being made right here and now and not having enough time nor any possible means of making the money to get any of them before they're gone. ;_;

meatatarian > MK6GTI-now with added Miata
03/12/2015 at 18:41

Car enthusiasts need an interest group in the same vein as gun owners do. If they can stop high capacity magazines and freakin armor piercing rounds from being banned and have the level of influence the NRA does, we can keep gas motors around..

meatatarian > B/Xmrrmvr
03/12/2015 at 18:42

Because cocaine's a hell of a drug.

Mike Paoli > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:42

Electricity could be the savior of the NA engine. The Porsche 918 is the best example I can think of.

alwaysmiata > B/Xmrrmvr
03/12/2015 at 18:42

I'm sure (and the graph seems to support it ) that the turbo engine will have significantly more power under the curve due to the torque curve, also it will probably have great tuning potential. Of course I would rather just have the 5.0 in it and call it a day.

ComradeSlow > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 18:43

I totally understand your sentiment and it really is a great shame, but without emissions regulation and with the number of cars we have on the road now the polluted air would be killing us.

alwaysmiata > mr2gud2u
03/12/2015 at 18:44

I wouldn't be surprised if within in a few years we see multiple TTV6 ponycars

Future next gen S2000 owner > MK6GTI-now with added Miata
03/12/2015 at 18:45

I think eventually it'll be all electric for DD type cars. I'll always have my Mustang in the garage, slowly getting another round of upgrades as long as I can drive.

Scott Nixon > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:45

No, but I can name the important one.

MUSTANG!

guiltymexican > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:45

I don't understand how emissions kills high revving NA cars like the Type Rs. Can someone explain to be how emissions kill high revving cars. I know it consumes more gasoline, but what else?

Permadi > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:47

Sports car are niche in numbers. I don't care if all Corrola Elantra etc going with turbo. But at least keep the NA engines with 3 pedals for the small sports car please. How bad is it for the environment for cars that sell less than a million in a year?

dogisbadob > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 18:47

All new cars from the past 20 years are basically zero-emitting

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ComradeSlow
03/12/2015 at 18:47

So some people are just more fortunate than others with all the $$$, and the rest don't get to enjoy what good times we have left then. Life truly is an unfair mistress.

Sheriff Of American Douchetown > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:48

You forgot the 918, which has a N/A V8 and hybrid setup.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > dogisbadob
03/12/2015 at 18:49

So then why? We push for even more constricting laws and regulations if that's the case? Is what we have now or even 20 years ago not good enough??

Sheriff Of American Douchetown > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 18:49

I could see a N/A V8 in GM's lineup seemingly forever. And if that dreadful day becomes when a Corvette doesn't have a N/A V8, I'll make it my mission to buy a V8 GM create engine and have a highly reputable shop take the piece of shit turbo out and put in a man's engine.

RedPir8Roberts > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 18:50

You just have NO idea how funny your perspective is, to someone who grew up in 1970s / 80s. Corvettes with 165 hp. K-Cars. Gas shortages and rationing. The Mustang II when it came out had only a Pinto motor 4 cylinder and an upgrade to an anemic 6. 5 mph bumpers to make your car much heavier and uglier and save your insurance company a few dollars. Gradually things started to get better. Now, cars are insanely faster than they were, and as a recent post discussed, it was partly due to the EPA putting on the restrictions. Plus, now you can breathe sometimes in Los Angeles. Yes, it will be a sad day but I think the engineers and today's tech will keep ICE cars on the road for a while longer. And go drive a Tesla P85D. I drove a "regular" P85 and it is stupid fast. Hopefully all our vintage cars will still be able to go out and play during and after our lifetimes, but the hybrids and electrics have the potential for some serious, if quiet, fun. Here, see how bad it was in 1976, when the fastest US car you could buy was the Corvette—at 124.5 mph. And the Trans Am had 455 cubic inches, and only 200 hp. A pickup truck was in the running to be fastest. The V8 Mustang II did a whopping 105 mph. Things will only get better.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/ch…

mrbwa1 > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:50

now if we are talking performance, what about stuff like:

Ariel Atom

kTM Crossbow

CATERHAM 7

Lots of light NA performance cars for tack day use (and I know the Atom is going turbo)

victor > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 18:51

Well, you not making enough money even minimally afford a corvette or an SS or a Mustang isn't the government's problem...that sorta goes back to you.

Kris > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 18:51

I hate to split hairs with you, but, technically if you downshift in most cars nowadays (anything with EFI) you're not actually harming the environment at all because no combustion is taking place.

LongbowMkII > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:52

it also loses a half liter of displacement. It's smaller than the Ford v6, so it shouldn't be wanting for power.

User1312 > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:52

Kinja'd!!!

Miata could go turbo next year, but power's never been near the forefront, and with such a light body, it's still going to get good mileage. I agree with the American V8s, though I could see the Vette being the first to go turbo. Or the American muscle could skip turbos altogether and go hybrid/electric/whatever.

Relyks954 > B/Xmrrmvr
03/12/2015 at 18:53

Are we not allowed to post about Cocaine?

mrbwa1 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 18:53

ICEs may die off in new cars, but my 300cu Ford Inline 6 will still be going strong...

AntiLag > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 18:54

Infiniti was stuck to it's guns keeping everything RWD and Naturally Aspirated and they get no recognition amongst the automotive community. It's amazing how much damage some Ed Hardy aficionados and teenagers with droney fart cannons can due to a brand's image and reception.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > RedPir8Roberts
03/12/2015 at 18:55

Here's the plot twist. I'm actually 19. Where the hell, or rather how the hell am I going to test drive a Tesla I can't even afford?? I just can't accept a car in which nothing truly inspiring is happening(to me), where there's no noise coming from the front or rear, something that actually puts a smile on my face.

"Better", is a choice word that I see as truly subjective in this case. From an efficiency standpoint, yes it will be better; but at what emotional and nostalgic cost? Of course no one really cares about that in the end it seems...

Kris > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 18:57

The power will return to the garagistas again like it was in the 50's. You tune your older car in your backyard and make it as fast as you want. Make it way faster than most things on the road.

If you're concerned about having an awesome sounding car, like a V12, don't worry. Pick up an old Merc V12 and do that equal length header layout. For years to come, there will be plenty of ways to enjoy ICE vehicle pleasure. If anything, it will help filter out the posers from the true enthusiasts.

JohnnyWasASchoolBoy > dogisbadob
03/12/2015 at 18:58

??? Um no.

They still produce CO2 and other by-products of combustion. What they're not doing is pumping massive amounts of particulates into the atmosphere.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > victor
03/12/2015 at 18:59

I'm not sure why you're telling me something I'm very aware of..

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Kris
03/12/2015 at 19:00

That's one way of lookin at it where it's not so bad I guess.

JohnnyWasASchoolBoy > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 19:00

Get a mountain bike, kayak, twin-tip skis, paraglider... They're all way more fun, cheaper, and easier on the environment.

MK6GTI-now with added Miata > dogisbadob
03/12/2015 at 19:01

That's....very inaccurate.

Anthony McClinton > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:01

One of my favorite naturally aspirated engine is BMWs S54. One day I hope to get an E46 M3 coupe or an E37 M Roadster.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Kris
03/12/2015 at 19:01

Yeah..... :p

B/Xmrrmvr > Relyks954
03/12/2015 at 19:01

Maybe I'm the one who doesn't understand the point of Oppo, but I was under the assumption it had to do about cars?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > JohnnyWasASchoolBoy
03/12/2015 at 19:04

On what basis are they subjectively more fun?

LongbowMkII > guiltymexican
03/12/2015 at 19:04

iirc, generally, higher CC temperatures lead to more NOx emissions. Also the cam phasing/timing needed for high rpm power probably isn't optimal for emissions.

MK6GTI-now with added Miata > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 19:04

Well yeah, but it's not like gas-powered cars disappear when new cars start being made with primarily electric power.

Nobody is going to stop you from buying whatever gas hog monster you want in 10 years. Although....hmmm. Vote republican, just to be safe.

B/Xmrrmvr > meatatarian
03/12/2015 at 19:05

Touche.

Plompy Lfeata > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:05

i feel there will be a huge trend in the future to turn away from turbos, theyre good for performance, but real world gas miliage is poor, and EPA testing standards will eventually get updated to reflect this. I think NA will be able to hold on until everyone switches back to it (or diesel?)

Dirka > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 19:06

I don't like the future or the limited range of EVs but 100% of the torque available 100% of the time, that's pretty cool.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > MK6GTI-now with added Miata
03/12/2015 at 19:07

These are facts..

MK6GTI-now with added Miata > Future next gen S2000 owner
03/12/2015 at 19:07

That's basically my attitude towards the whole thing. If I can daily drive a fully electric Range Rover and have a gas-powered 911 in the garage, I'm totally happy.

For the vast majority of drivers, having an electric motor will just be different , not worse. I'd like to think that the gas engine will be around for the enthusiasts for some time to come, especially since the majority of Co2 is coming from the daily drivers.

MK6GTI-now with added Miata > meatatarian
03/12/2015 at 19:08

Ehh....the less massive election-influencing lobby groups this country has, the better.

We need a voice, not a gun held to the governments' head.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari
03/12/2015 at 19:08

We'll get through this friend.

RedPir8Roberts > mr2gud2u
03/12/2015 at 19:09

Chevy guy lose his shit? But they will have technology and stuff!!

Dirka > B/Xmrrmvr
03/12/2015 at 19:09

You just haven't been starred enough and they let people talk about drugs because they're not actively trying to sensor people. I'll give you a star so hopefully you can be ungreyed in the future.

Dirka > Relyks954
03/12/2015 at 19:10

then how will we talk about this?

Kinja'd!!!

Thedude > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:11

I love how many of these lists the C7 is showing up on...

And while I definitely intend to supercharge my '14 Z51 in the future (turns out to be cheaper than getting a Z06), it doesn't absolutely need it to be a badass car to drive.

MK6GTI-now with added Miata > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 19:14

I hate to get all preachy, but all of us here are at least in the 70th percentile when it comes to "good times," globally speaking.

Life is unfair, but we've got at least a decade or two before the gas engine starts to leave us, and judging by the stuff that's been coming out of McLaren, Porsche, Tesla, etc. I have pretty high hopes for the future of low emission performance cars.

TurboLagGivesYouTimetothink > mr2gud2u
03/12/2015 at 19:14

That Chevy guy will be too old to drive in 15 years.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 19:14

Maybe...

You didn't comment in the K Roll bait post

Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:15

do you think Mercedes will sell Aston the same V12s they sell Pagani?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari
03/12/2015 at 19:18

But I starred it?

hairdryerchargedmiata > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:18

NA is n/a

Clay...Bill Clay > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:21

Kinja'd!!!

'MURIC...oh, the Mustang's yellow.

Nick Dina > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:22

Both of my sports/sporty cars have had turbo/bi-turbos. My truck was NA V8 and the tiny bit of turbo lag doesn't bother me. I appreciate NA and displacement, but I can live with what manufacturers are doing these days.

BruceAE > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:25

I was going to point out the lack of Aussie HSV Clubsport in this list, but I guess thy would really be a double up of the Chevy SS

RedPir8Roberts > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 19:25

Actually, they're pretty cool over at the Tesla—store? If you show up dressed reasonably well, they will likely let you test-drive even if they know or suspect you can't afford it any time soon. They have no idea whether you just cashed in on the latest internet craze. They just ask to see your license, not your credit report. There wasn't even the "let's talk numbers" nonsense. It's more like visiting an Apple store than a regular car dealer, spartan furnishing plan included. The "salesmen", who don't work on commission and so don't have an incentive to pressure you, were only two or three years older than you at one location I visited. Now that even BMWs (and EcoBoost Mustangs) are piping in fake engine noise, you will probably have that as a customizable app on any car in the not too distant future. You could have it sound like an F1 car or vintage Challenger with a six-pack if you like. Sure, it won't be quite the same as the real deal, but it'll be something. And there will always be LeMons for abusing ICE engines.

PS9 > MK6GTI-now with added Miata
03/12/2015 at 19:27

I'm more worried about self-driving cars becoming mandatory.

Not gonna happen. The tech initially will be expensive and no one who can't will pay for it. Just telling millions of people to take the bus now won't work without a serious upgrade to our public transportation infrastructure, which we also won't pay for.

It will be a neat option on your S-class that will someday trickle down to an option on your Chevy that will someday become cheap enough to be a ubiquitous as an automatic transmission, but this will happen out of consumer choice, not regulation.

Blair > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:27

is a V12 or V10 that is Hybridnized still considered a Naturally aspirated engine. I mean, yes it's still atmospherical induction not forced but if it has an electric motor "boosting it" then does that not mean it isn't totally "Natural"

I'm very interested to see when Lamborghini will go Turbo and if the Viper will get a Hellcat v8 or will the drastically down size the V10 to a 5.0L or something a strap a Superxharger on it. It would be a lot cheap to just use the HellCat V8

RedPir8Roberts > MK6GTI-now with added Miata
03/12/2015 at 19:28

Pretty sure most Republicans wanted to let GM die...

Tom > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:28

Probably they limit it to avoid challenging faster sports cars. 350ish horesepower will keep it from being compared to Audis and Lexus' etc.

Montalvo > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 19:32

ICEs have a chance to continue on if we are able to crack bio-fuels. At the moment processes are out there that can work but are nowhere near feasible on a large commercial scale. The problem is finding a catalyst that will form a concentration of the stuff we want instead of ending up with a hundred things from the conversion. There are a few graduates at my university currently working on this right now and I hope to god at least one of them is able to make some headway. We can expect most of the fossil fuels to disappear within the next half century. There is more deeper in the ground but the likelihood of being able to access it safely is pretty slim. It really sucks and I am totally against it but hydrogen and electric will at some point take the market share especially if we are able to get our shit together at making batteries that aren't garbage.

Manuél Ferrari > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 19:32

Yes but I must know which Porsche from the pics is your fave! I'm reposting in 3 min. You can tell me then.

I also added a note about where I took the pics.

Forgetful > Kris
03/12/2015 at 19:33

Gotta blip on the downshift, because racecar driver.

Datsun73 > User1312
03/12/2015 at 19:33

Man, I forget just how charming a stock NA Miata is. Thanks for posting, this just made my day!

MK6GTI-now with added Miata > RedPir8Roberts
03/12/2015 at 19:34

Yeah I've got a friend who works for a Tesla showroom and they're very cool about test drives. Just don't act/dress like a total scrub and you'll at least get a fun ride in one.

syaieya > 472CID
03/12/2015 at 19:34

Kinja'd!!!

The M152 May not be the same powerplant as the M156 but it's still a NA V8 if you wanna throw the little SLK into the performance box.

Forgetful > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 19:35

The sooner we get to a place where there is a viable replacement for the ICE, the better. Like horses, once they are no longer our main source of transportation they are free to be appreciated by true enthusiasts.

MK6GTI-now with added Miata > RedPir8Roberts
03/12/2015 at 19:36

I'm not advocating for the party as a whole or any of their past decisions. I'm trying to use their relentless resistance to change as a benefit here. Buy us some fun hoonage time before the speed cameras come out and the self-driving electric cars get mandated.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Forgetful
03/12/2015 at 19:37

Do explain, because what you're saying is certainly interesting. I think you're on to something.

MK6GTI-now with added Miata > PS9
03/12/2015 at 19:37

That's what I'm hoping.

I'd even use it myself, I just want the choice to turn it off if I want to drive.

472CID > Blair
03/12/2015 at 19:38

Strictly speaking no, because the air isn't artificially pressurized (unless you're talking about electric superchargers which may some day come into the picture ). But yeah, a hybrid set up is even worse it terms of "purity" than a turbo.

I'm pretty curious about the Viper too, dropping the Hemi in there would be way more logically, but then the Viper has never been very logical.

472CID > BruceAE
03/12/2015 at 19:39

True, though it doesn't look like there are any Ford FPVs that are natural anymore.

472CID > Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion
03/12/2015 at 19:41

It's possible, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Manuél Ferrari
03/12/2015 at 19:41

I think I left my mark on that post.

472CID > Thedude
03/12/2015 at 19:42

I noticed that pattern too, the Corvette, Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger: America's bad-asses.

Kris > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/12/2015 at 19:42

Crap, I meant to reply to someone else's post. My bad. Lol

Kris > Forgetful
03/12/2015 at 19:43

Very true, what's the point of having a manual if you can't blip. :P